tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post2116359370597513407..comments2023-09-12T23:42:28.590+10:00Comments on Thinkulti: The stars of WorldsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-38213386368870121502008-08-30T00:06:00.000+10:002008-08-30T00:06:00.000+10:00Damn, sorry about the weather. Should have learnt ...Damn, sorry about the weather. Should have learnt that one in year 4. :Pa1214https://www.blogger.com/profile/03421128490063913687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-54900240644823706992008-08-26T11:40:00.000+10:002008-08-26T11:40:00.000+10:00Hey Farmer.The pulling grades we gave were the one...Hey Farmer.<BR/>The pulling grades we gave were the ones <A HREF="http://thinkulti.blogspot.com/2007/01/measuring-good-pull.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. We didn't count the free passes the O gets as that depends on what D you're playing, where the handlers run to, and how fast the D runs down. That is probably a better measure of overall team D effort combined with pulling, which would be feedback for the D team, not just the pullers.<BR/><BR/>With player numbers, its really hard to tell if the last player on the roster played onepoint a game, or an equal percentage of points. So it's hard to weight stats that way.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469814563421745485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-88960950744603099932008-08-24T23:11:00.000+10:002008-08-24T23:11:00.000+10:00For more objective measures, what about including ...For more objective measures, what about including the number of players on a team in the stats? Players more stats on a team with fewer players gets weighted dowwards, to even out with players with few stats on deep teams?<BR/><BR/>Admittedly, you don't have much data to work with with points played and such.Farmer Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173762436659557005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-16311821723660855892008-08-24T23:09:00.000+10:002008-08-24T23:09:00.000+10:00slighty OT to this post - what were your criteria ...slighty OT to this post - what were your criteria for grading pulls? I know your measure for A/B/C, but do you include the number of free passes the O gets off? I think that's a good a measure as any. <BR/><BR/>PS - Nice to meet you in person at worlds, Oshep.Farmer Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173762436659557005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-4538967976823702272008-08-24T16:26:00.000+10:002008-08-24T16:26:00.000+10:00PS "whether" not "weather". We've got to convince ...PS "whether" not "weather". We've got to convince the blogosphere that smart people read this blog.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469814563421745485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-79809064811445624272008-08-24T16:25:00.000+10:002008-08-24T16:25:00.000+10:00What the juniors had sounds pretty comprehensive, ...What the juniors had sounds pretty comprehensive, and would likely provide the next level of detail. It would help inform a team's decisions on tactics, and I'm sure it did that for Thunder.<BR/><BR/>If you could do that across an entire division, you would learn a lot.<BR/><BR/>One thing I liked on the Dingos is that we noted who threw each pull and graded each pull (see earlier post on pulling), to determine who our best pullers were.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469814563421745485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-53753511840887213952008-08-24T10:58:00.000+10:002008-08-24T10:58:00.000+10:00Not sure weather you were talking about this one o...Not sure weather you were talking about this one or not. But all the stats they kept on the juniors were pretty good. Completed passes, pulls in and out, who was on the line for each score and who was on for each point scored against to give an idea of what players played well or played essential lower scoring roles or were d machines. I think I remember Piers saying that in 06 Tarrant had the highest amount of team scores while on the field / points played reflecting his awesome teamwork skills and what he did apart from scoring and assisting. <BR/><BR/>So maybe some of these more detailed stats are always good. But was that what you were already tlaking about?a1214https://www.blogger.com/profile/03421128490063913687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-32846507422301982172008-08-23T14:35:00.000+10:002008-08-23T14:35:00.000+10:00I agree that this stat is not the best indicator o...I agree that this stat is not the <I>best</I> indicator of who the best players are, or who played well at Worlds. Players on deep teams are disadvantaged. But it does show us "stars" - players dominating in the context of their team and division, who did a lot of work. <BR/><BR/>But if you were to pick the best North American player in Open, is Mike Grant an unreasonable name to appear at the top? I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>Am keen to discuss better measurements.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469814563421745485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18814552.post-77572083451486688692008-08-23T13:56:00.000+10:002008-08-23T13:56:00.000+10:00you only see one canadian and no americans in Open...you only see one canadian and no americans in Open..but it would be a tough argument to say that alot of those players arent "stars of worlds". they simpyl suffer on the stats sheet because there are so many players that can get it done. I am sure if you put Mike Neild or Alex Nord or Chase or something on teams that dont have such an even spread of talent then you would see different results. Interesring though, its a better indication than simpy goals or assists across the board (although cat phillips would have been a good fantasy pick)Maplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13801324098325117072noreply@blogger.com